So you buy a model horse lot or set, and one of them is a boring gray Quarter Horse. How do you spice him up? Make him a gray perlino!
But how do you know what a gray is carrying? If it is a homozygous gray, you may never know without a genetics test, because all of their foals will be gray and hide their true color. If it is heterozygous gray, bred to a base color, and produces a cream, that is a pretty good clue it's a dilute under the gray! Another hint is if it's a gray, bred to a dilute, and produces a double dilute.
Good old Yahoo search with the terms "gray carrying cream Quarter Horse" unearthed a few possibilities, all too young for the year I need for my stallion (1991).
Strait Silver Badge is a 1998 gray, bred to a palomino, that produced a cremello. His gray-carrying sire produced only grays and bays, according to allbreed, so there is no real suggestion he also carried the cream gene. His dam was a palomino, so was most likely the one to pass on the cream.
The next one I found was an ad for a 2002 gray stallion who produced a palomino filly out of a chestnut mare. http://www.equinenow.com/horse-ad-209155. Way too young for my purposes, but I'm just warming up my search.
I came across a mare with a whole smorgasbord of colors, Blue Boon Bar. http://www.horseville.com/php/view.php?id=281921 . Her ad says she was tested and results were EeaaCrcrRrGg. That means she has gray, cream, and roan going on! But since she is only heterozygous gray, she has the possibility of producing cream+roan foals without the gray cover. But, her cream came from the sire's side, opposite the gray.
Then I found Demand the Cash, a gray with a buckskin base color: http://mthorsesoregon.tripod.com/id14.html. He is 2003, again too young, but then his dam caught my attention. Cinda Sierra is a gray 1980 mare with a gray sire and a blue roan mare. But Demand the Cash's sire is brown, so the mare *had* to contribute the cream. Her gray sire, Sierra Scoot, was by a buck sire out of a gray mare, proving the cream is possible in the line. But does Cinda Sierra carry roan, as well, contributed from her mother? I guess I'll never know, because allbreed shows only two foals, and the second doesn't have a color listed, and roan is present in the sire line, so there would be no way to know where the roan came from if it popped up further down the line (i.e. in her foal's progeny).
Now, just need to throw in a cream-colored sire, and I'm good to go! Heck, I could even find a cream/roan one if I feel so inclined. ;)
Sunday, November 13, 2011
Thursday, November 10, 2011
Frederiksborgs
Today I had some extra time, and Wyoming decided to cooperate and provide sunny (albeit windy) weather, so I was able to get photos of my JCP 2011 Stablemates. The G4 dressage stallion, upon one look at him, told me quite bluntly that he was a Frederiksborg.
Fine, I replied. But do they come in palomino? And, just as importantly, can I find two living parents for you?
My initial search found me at a forum page discussing the conformation of the breed: http://fhotd64476.yuku.com/topic/62299/6yo-Frederiksborg
But more importantly, I found Sargo Vejleby.
The owner of the forum I saw him on did not take all of the photos shown on there. So, I decided to see where she got it from (If you don't know about this, pay very close attention, it is well worth knowing!) When you come across a picture like that, right click on it. Like me, you probably only use two of the functions provided in the long list and ignore the rest (copy or save as). But take another look. Near the bottom should be a command that says "View Image Info". This takes you to a lovely screen that shows you the image, as well as the source website.
It is this way that I found the large breed website: http://www.fhf.dk. Hello Google Translator! For those of you who don't know this already, either, but http://translate.google.com can translate whole webpages into your preferred language. (Clicking on the "Britian" language button doesn't always work, as in this case, where it takes you to a website in English, but lacking all the important stallion information).
After browsing through their gorgeous collection of stallions, success! I find exactly what I'm looking for!
http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh720-nigeria
Now, one of my GC's had BSO parents, and the sire's name was Hot Shot. The name fit him perfect, so I didn't change it. However, I decided to make the date of birth of my male GC's four years minus the year they came out (so they'd be a breeding adult by the time they were made). That means the earliest Hot Shot could be born is 1988. Nigeria was born 1986. So I have two choices. Use Nigeria's parents as parents to Hot Shot and assume both parents were still alive 2 years later (unless I can find death years for both parents or record of a foal born after 1988), or bump Hot Shot's birth year to 1990 to use Nigeria as his sire.
For anyone interested, here is a bay: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh766-palnatoke-vejvad
And a gorgeous buckskin: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh748-salisbury-vejleby
As well as a younger palomino: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh763-sargo-vejleby(the one mentioned above)
The oldest stallion on the list was born 1979: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh705-sebastian-skovagerhoej , for those of you into making old BSO's.
Just a note: if you put any of the names in allbreed, many of the horses are listed as Danish Warmbloods, Hanoverians, Trakehners, etc. As far as I read, Frederiksborg horses were used to start many of these breeds, so they were possibly dual-registered? If someone more knowledgeable reads this, I would love to learn the specifics. Warmbloods still confuse the heck out of me!
Fine, I replied. But do they come in palomino? And, just as importantly, can I find two living parents for you?
My initial search found me at a forum page discussing the conformation of the breed: http://fhotd64476.yuku.com/topic/62299/6yo-Frederiksborg
But more importantly, I found Sargo Vejleby.
The owner of the forum I saw him on did not take all of the photos shown on there. So, I decided to see where she got it from (If you don't know about this, pay very close attention, it is well worth knowing!) When you come across a picture like that, right click on it. Like me, you probably only use two of the functions provided in the long list and ignore the rest (copy or save as). But take another look. Near the bottom should be a command that says "View Image Info". This takes you to a lovely screen that shows you the image, as well as the source website.
It is this way that I found the large breed website: http://www.fhf.dk. Hello Google Translator! For those of you who don't know this already, either, but http://translate.google.com can translate whole webpages into your preferred language. (Clicking on the "Britian" language button doesn't always work, as in this case, where it takes you to a website in English, but lacking all the important stallion information).
After browsing through their gorgeous collection of stallions, success! I find exactly what I'm looking for!
http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh720-nigeria
Now, one of my GC's had BSO parents, and the sire's name was Hot Shot. The name fit him perfect, so I didn't change it. However, I decided to make the date of birth of my male GC's four years minus the year they came out (so they'd be a breeding adult by the time they were made). That means the earliest Hot Shot could be born is 1988. Nigeria was born 1986. So I have two choices. Use Nigeria's parents as parents to Hot Shot and assume both parents were still alive 2 years later (unless I can find death years for both parents or record of a foal born after 1988), or bump Hot Shot's birth year to 1990 to use Nigeria as his sire.
For anyone interested, here is a bay: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh766-palnatoke-vejvad
And a gorgeous buckskin: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh748-salisbury-vejleby
As well as a younger palomino: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh763-sargo-vejleby(the one mentioned above)
The oldest stallion on the list was born 1979: http://www.fhf.dk/frh-vis-hingst.php?hingst=frh705-sebastian-skovagerhoej , for those of you into making old BSO's.
Just a note: if you put any of the names in allbreed, many of the horses are listed as Danish Warmbloods, Hanoverians, Trakehners, etc. As far as I read, Frederiksborg horses were used to start many of these breeds, so they were possibly dual-registered? If someone more knowledgeable reads this, I would love to learn the specifics. Warmbloods still confuse the heck out of me!
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