I am an anti-critic. Whenever someone criticizes a book or movie, or dislikes something for no real valid reason other than out of spite or to be 'different' than the crowd, it makes me want to defend it more. I enjoy things. I really like food, and all kinds of books, and all kinds of movies. And to relate this back to our favorite topic-- all kinds of horses. There are several breeds that cause a lot of debate, and one of these is the Pintabian. It is considered a 'designer' breed and yada yada yada. What matters is it's beautiful. And it's mostly Arabian. Arabians with color. Really? You can't get much better than that.
So I wanted to make my own beautiful breed. Same concept. Just....I've always fancied overo slightly more than tobiano. And I had several models of Arabian type sporting a frame overo pattern. Why not? The overo gene is lethal in its homozygous form, but the goal of my program would be breeding back to pure Arabians, which would never carry the gene and allow it to become homozygous; therefore, the lethal aspect would not exist in my program. The only stipulation of course, being that an Overo-Arabian (Ovab? Overabian? Arabero? so much fun!) could not be bred to another one of the same type. And of course this pretty much negates the idea of being a real breed. A breed in which members can't breed to each other? Nonsense!
I can only imagine all the critics now. But the great part is-- this is model horses, and everything is hypothetical and theoretical and fantasy, and fun.
So, I had the idea and the motivation. The next step was the models. My end goal was to create him:
SFC Fire Song, 99.2% Arab |
Not only did I have to breed up the overo pattern, but the cream gene as well. Finding models (I do not like creating a string of BSOs for breeding projects, as that isn't enough of a challenge for me) with both would be tough, but I was sure I could make it work. In fact, I had a huge group of pinto patterned horses awaiting IDs, too many to make all of them Paints!
Honestly, I could've made him a Paint-Arabian cross and called it good, but he is one of my favorite Arabian molds and I wanted to keep him as high percentage as I could. If I wanted to mimic the Pintabian, 99% was high enough. It takes seven generations to reach that from two parents of different breeds. I decided mares and stallions could produce foals at 4. I started with a mixed list of stallions and mares until I figured out an acceptable year to begin breeding. That happened to be 1988.
SFC Sultan of Luck |
I crossed Sultan on my Arabian mare, SFC Desert Night by Cass Ole(r) and got a lovely palomino filly with a more expressive form of frame-
SFC Desert Sun |
SFC Desertion |
SFC Dark Ballet |
SFC Bey Ballet |
Bey Ballet covered SFC Sirens Song by Ruminaja Ali (r) and produced SFC Ballet Song. She is the key-at 98.4% Arabian, when crossed with a pure Arabian, she would foal 99.2% foals. And she only had two open years- 2012 and 2013. 2012 went to my foundation stallion Fire Song. 2013 went to auction, to hopefully be won by someone with as much vision as I have for my special project.
SFC Ballet Song |
I plan to breed Bey Ballet again to create another 'key', this time a stallion. This key will have the ability to produce 99.2% Overo Arabians even though they aren't 'full' themselves. That way I will have a half sibling I can use to promote in the next auction, as well.
My next goal will be to breed up the roan gene with the overo, but I don't have to tell you how hard those models will be to find! Looks like I might have a lot of cm'ing to do in my future ;)
I was a little disappointed that most of my breeding stock turned out to be foals, but that just happened to be what I had needing to be ID'd. Hopefully my roans will be more adult bodied than foal.
Thanks for reading about my breeding project!
I love this project! Though you might have the same trouble from some people using foal bodies as you would BSO lines...I've noticed some people are annoyed by both. Can't please everyone though I think this is awesome work and why I suggested you put one in there again..since I think I snatched the last one :P
ReplyDeleteThe thing with the Pintabians and people being biased against them really didn't have anything to do with the actual breed or horses as far as I remember but for how the registry and its owners were excluding people and only allowing 'certain' people to register. But I can't find anything about that online now so I can't be 100% sure but I used to use Pintabian/like them/promote them then I decided to stop because I didn't want to promote them because of how the PEOPLE were acting behind it (much like why I won't use the Vanner name). I don't have any problems with the breed or it being a designer breed or anything I just didn't like how the registry treated people. So I'm actually someone who agreed with you and defended them for many years until I found out the story behind why people disliked them. But like I said I can't find ANYTHING to back that up now so I could be mis-remembering. But I do know whatever it was disgusted me so much I changed my Pintabians to showing as PaintxArab instead..
I do still wonder why people use rare purebred Arab lines in the Pintabians when any strain Arab will do though..since those lines are only rare within the purebred gene pool and once you cross them out they no longer matter and it would be much cheaper and more practical to just use a mixed strain but..hey... :P not really my business I suppose.
Oh, I can imagine! People love to rain on others' parades and I wouldn't doubt in the slightest that sort of exclusivity was occurring. Luckily I missed the episode with the Gypsy Vanners, too, so that didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth.
ReplyDeleteI've noticed the lack of interest in having 'foal' parents as well, which is why I tried to make my important horses at the end have adult bodies :D That is one of the main reasons I've considered doing text-only parts--so then the body type wouldn't be a factor and just the color/age/bloodlines. A lot simpler, and better to spread out parents, but not as fun hehe
And thank you for the encouragement <3
<3 any time! :)
ReplyDeleteHmm..I did use to have my entire list text only (you can still see that on a few pages I haven't updated to the picture version yet). I actually got a lot more breedings once I switched to a picture list. I think the text lists people find 'boring' and tend to skim or pass them over. So like I said you just can't please everyone...you might get the people who don't like foal bodies that way but only if you didn't list the body at all in the listing. I did notice a shift though some people don't care about foal bodies apparently because I've had a few of them used lately...enough that I noticed it. LOL all my foals are pedigreed much older..some really old cause I can just say whatever age and say this is them as a foal...whereas certain horses that are grown look a certain age to me and it's hard for me to get past that to make them older for breeding. I was never going to collect foals but I ended up with a bunch anyway so that was my way to 'breed' them and make them more useful.
What I did do though is sometimes when an ID has a questionable body I have just listed it as a text blurb instead of including the photo and sometimes that works.